Can Angelina possibly be a lonely girl?
By outward appearances, 35-year-old Angelina Jolie seems to have it all: beauty, six incredible kids, and a life partner considered one of the most attractive men in the world. Her career success has also been meteoric; she’s won an Oscar, two SAG awards and three Golden Globes. Earnings estimated at more than $20 million per year make her one of the highest-paid actresses in Hollywood.
Yet, in a satellite interview with CNN’s Sanjay Gupta earlier this month, she said, “I don’t have a lot of friends I talk to.”
Angelina was on the ground in Pakistan, in her role as UN Goodwill Ambassador, to bring international media attention to the plight of families with young children in aid camps whose lives have been torn apart by floods and other disasters.
Her comment came in response to a pointed question from Gupta about whether she could adequately convey the scope of what she witnessed to her friends back home. Angelina responded that she would tell her husband (Brad Pitt) and her older children about her experiences.
So why would this exceptional woman, an accomplished actress and humanitarian, seem to be bereft of close friends? Given the horrors of what she’s seen, isn’t she dying to call a gal pal each time she returns home to catch up, unload her despair, recharge, and talk about her hopes for the future? Doesn’t she feel the need to chat with another working mom about how hard it is to do it all?
In some ways, Angelina may be like the rest of us. We’re so busy juggling marriage, career and/or motherhood that close friendships periodically take a back seat to other pressures. Maybe she has some free time but friends or friends-to-be incorrectly presume she’s so busy—and her world so full—that there’s no space for them. She’s likely grown apart and moved away from her childhood and high school friends; most of us have.
The challenges of a woman being ahead of the pack are formidable. It’s hard to trust other women when you have so much more and your celebrity makes you appear untouchable. Or, perhaps, Angelina just doesn’t feel like she needs girlfriends right now. After all, she’s created a supportive “village” of her own.
Depending on the woman and everything else going on in her life, there are times when the need for female friends is more or less important, and when opportunities are more or less available. Yet, a dearth of friendships is often one of the costs that many high-achieving women pay for celebrity and success.
Just between us, what are your thoughts?
Category: HAVING NO FRIENDS
ANYONE can be lonely. Wealth and fame, or nameless poverty, doesn’t determine whether one lives with loneliness or not.
She had a weird, creepy relationship with her brother (making out in public?) , then was obsessive/boundary issues with billy bob (blood bottle necklaces), then slept with/stole another woman’s man.. yeah, no idea why she doesn’t have a lot of friends. she’s a perfect study of a personality disorder. I would hope she got it together before adopting a dozen kids, but I doubt it.
She and her brother have a close relationship. Get your mind out of the gutter.
I just recently watched an interview with Angelina Jolie (they were talking about the movie she directed) I have to say… I was very surprised at her pure, natural and invested way of talking about the plight of the people. To invest yourself in people and their troubles takes A LOT of energy. It is also extremely rewarding to do something for someone who really needs it. (MUCH more rewarding than engaging in idle chit chat about what pair of shoes to wear to the next event and whether THAT guy will even notice you changed your hair colour)
Social settings are important yes… but what is more important to many people (people perhaps like Angelina Jolie) is HOW they connect to the people around them. That is perhaps what brings deep inner joy and peace and decreases the need for being around less satisfactory friendships that require constant maintenance but reap fewer rewards. One can connect to 1 person 100% or to a hundred people 1% each.
Angelina Jolie derives energy through her primary relationship with Brad Pitt and her children, along with being heavily involved in movies and charity. Maybe this is her preference, and maybe she doesn’t have time for small talk or the chit-chat required to develop casual friendships. As for stealing Brad Pitt. Divorce and affairs are common. I imagine she would stick closely with Brad Pitt and not be prowling for other people’s partners. Attractive women are sometimes viewed as a threat by other women or down-played as shallow and self-absorbed. maybe she prefers men or being alone and is a bit clumsy or unskilled when it comes to developing friendships with other women. I prefer a few close friends to many acquaintances. Maybe that is her preference too, but it places pressure on her husband if he is her only mature close friend.
@Chris60 I think you may be right.
She’s odd, however because she’s considered beautiful & alluring, her oddness isn’t a problem. She is married to Brad Pitt. She has many children and alot of money. She seems very intense. I doubt she cares about friendship; I doubt she considers herself lonely.
Wow, some of you sound so apathetic. “Who needs friends?”, “friends are overrated”, etc. I have a busy life, family etc but I need my friends. I can’t imagine life without the social aspect.
I live in a world with a lot of extraordinarily beautiful and accomplished women who don’t sleep with other women’s husbands. Some of you say people should get over it but once a woman has that reputation, other women don’t trust her. It’s not her beauty that keeps other women away, rather it’s knowing she can’t be trusted.
One of the most eye opening things ever said to me in front of 3 married couples I’m very close to ( I’m the only divorced one) is ” I don’t trust my husband around Leeanne but I trust Leeanne around my husband.”
Needy people cheat on their spouse and needy people cheat with people’s spouses, all have self-worth and boundary issues, maybe both. People should get over it, like any other wound that needs to be healed, and move on in their lives. The worst thing is trusting the wrong people: mates, friends, etc. The other part of this equation is forgiving yourself for missing or denying these character flaws in people.
Angelina wasn’t ever friends with jen and Aj had something that jen didn’t was a big heart jen seems stuck up and demanding you never know how his life was with jen before he got with Angelina you can’t condemn her you ain’t God to Judge anyone
Sorry, wasn’t talking about AJ – I like her a lot. Just a general analysis of why cheaters cheat.
Who the hell would Angelina Jolie trust as a friend?
VERY TRUE!
I think Angelina is a self centered person that needs too much attention. This is a REAL BIG turnoff to others. Additionally, she can not be trusted. She will go for any man she wants with no care for the damage she can cause. I would never want to be friends with a person like Angelina, I feel I am not the only one. Her outward traits (I do not know her) and the behavior she has exhibited is very negative on a “friendship” level. I would not want to be friends with a person that is overly wrapped up in herself, needs to be the center of attention at all times, is untrustworthy and has zero integrity.
BP had already left JA mentally, so get over it. As for integrity, plenty of people have questionable behavior and it is not for us to judge. I think she is very misunderstood. I would be friends with her simply due to her capacity to give and her depth of caring, which is probably why BP is with her. I always thought JA was wrong for him, so I wasn’t even remotely surprised with what happened. JA seems shallow and wrapped up in herself too, but I don’t KNOW her. So all of our comments are purely speculative.
I agree who are we to condemn Angelina.I noticed back when she didn’t date brad she didn’t seem to still have any friends is not that she has issues getting along with people she seems like a very busy person and doesn’t have the time to think about friendships she’s got her own busy life she travels she got a husband and kids and her career and she seems she also has a big heart not just her beauty she helps out in other foreign countries and i think that’s what made brad so attracted to her you never know with his live was with jen before that made him to fall for Angelina jen looks stuck up and demanding and full of herself so stop with hating on AJ i don’t have any friends either and i don’t consider feeling loney im content with my own family all all friends crap stuff is all high school teen stuff im to old to think about girlfriend crap thing
If Angelina is self-centered, why the hell is she still working for the UN? She could just quit anytime because it is obviously volunteer work, there is no contract that bimds her to the UN. On top.of that, she’s sent to very unglamorous parts of the world where most of the commenters here would dare not set foot. Is this woman really self-centered? Do we know the meaning of the word self-centered?
No doubt she’s self-centered. Aren’t most affluent, ultra-successful Actresses/Actors narcissistic & self-centered?
I would not want to be friends with someone who can turn ugly about someone she doesn’t have a single CLUE about. Someone whom she has never met and only ever sees through the eyes of the media. If you can do this to her… what can you do to someone closer with whom you have shared more secrets?
Amen! Very well said!
It is very unsettling how people attack Angelina or anyone they have never met and don’t know. It’s arrogant ans presumptuous. When will people stop being bullies?
True Tango.
I feel the same way as you do, and I wholeheartedly stand against the eye for an eye thing. But at some point in time, one has to make a stand for the people who can’t. There are victims who say, why didn’t anyone say anything, why didn’t anyone take a stand for me?
Our society, as much as they shun the bully is, in essence, enabling the behaviour of bullies with it’s anti-involvement issues.
Instead of teaching the bully that his or her behaviour is wrong, the focus is put on the one suffering the bully’s bad behaviour by encouraging the victim to be stronger, to just brush it off, to turn the other cheek. And while those are excellent things to learn, what are you teaching the bully? We teach the bully that people must just adapt or die to their ways. That other people should be strong enough to deal with their maltreatment, that it is not their fault people are so weak. If one really cares for people, then the fact of the matter is that you would NOT allow the bully to continue making statements that are cruel and careless based on their own insecurities.
If you see wrong, you say something. I don’t care if a person IS capable of taking care of themselves. the fact of the matter is that if you DON”T say anything, the bully will continue to do as he, or she pleases. indefinitely.
I believe that peace is ALWAYS the way. ALWAYS. and I believe that many of these negative comments that people make are indeed a cry for help themselves. But I don’t believe that allowing a person to just make a negative comment and not calling it out is the right way.
We are here to teach people better. We are here to learn from one another. True friendship, as this is what this blog is all about, is recognizing the differences in people, deciding to stand together or as individuals against what is wrong. It’s not about gossip and girl’s nights.
Well…let me tell you why. Because she is beautiful. Thats enough for most women to reject her friendship. Never mind the rest.
A lot of women don’t need friends as defined in many of these blurbs. Some women need a very different type of interaction with women than shopping, drinking, eating, etc. She seems like quite an engaging human being who can derive meaningful interactions with anyone she encounters. I think really open human beings don’t need to splinter themselves with an array of friends. I prefer one or two friends or none, maybe she is that type of gal too.
I agree with you. I am glad somebody feels the same way.
I agree with you. Friendship is overrated. Sometimes all it gives you is unnecessarry stress.
I get that, Angelina.
Throughout my life I’ve worked damn hard to get where I am today. From the outdide looking in, its the American dream, but let me tell you, its not what you think.
See, our U.S. media and entertainment industry (as a marketing tactic) has misguided, to the point of brainwashing us into believe possessions, beauty, power and success = happiness. But in actuality its quite the opposite. Happiness is found only in healthy and positive relationships with others. So in contrast, the more abundant we are in these superficial things, it subsequently makes others feel inferior. And that sure doesn’t create a good recipe in the friendship department since all of us want to feel valued, respected, admired…. and certainly not inferior.
But if you manage your way into these things, and after lessons and pain, you adjust. So with Angelina, she has found the tools to also feel loved, valued, respected and admired, but in unconventional ways.
Is she lonely? I doubt it. I’ve experienced similar obstacles in a much smaller scale, but have also learned to transition similarly with focus on family and your children; knowing the love you share with them is genuine, trustworthy, without jealousy or bitterness and it is completely fulfilling. Outside the home, humanitarian work is amazingly satisfying. She is a remarkable example how to make it work for those like me, unlike so many others who are broken mess when they find the top.
My advice? Teach your children to love one another and to be kind and generous, invest in experiences with them and not the stock market. And for Gods sake, for them and the future Angelinas, burn the TV.
I agree.
“My advice? Teach your children to love one another and to be kind and generous, invest in experiences with them and not the stock market. And for Gods sake, for them and the future Angelinas, burn the TV.”
My dear… you are WISE:)
you sound like a very caring person… that’s alot more than having a group of fake friends…… getting involved in some church groups, may be of some comfort .. all the very best to you.
I can certainly relate to you. I don’t even know how to make a friend. I get nervous and think that people think I’m weird if I try…so I’ve stopped trying. I am taking classes at a community college and that helps a little. Helps to be busy (I am 53 years old) and I have found some interests there that may carry me through the lonely times, lifelong. I do hope that you take care of yourself and realise that there may be something, somewhere out there for you, that will help to at least ease some of you loneliness. I don’t want to see you (or me) like this. Please try! Take care and know that someone out here does care about you.
p.s. I think that Angelina is quite like us. But she has found that helping the underdog is incredibly fullfilling and she probably doesn’t feel too lonely. I admire her.
Exactly.
I work 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. I am so busy that there isn’t any time for close friendship. I get lonely sometimes, but, oh well, life is what it is. When your cup runeth over with the life that Ms. Jolie has, well, I can certainly understand. It is not always as it seems. I commend her for all she has taken on. Best of luck from Texas.
I feel the same way. My life is full and happy, so the importance of or desire for close friends just isn’t necessary. I think if one is their authentic self, without a lot nonsense, they have a certain joy and contentment. Jolie is a pretty amazing human.
It is so easy to be in a room full of people and be sooo lonley.I know all about lonliness and im so sad.I want friendnt seems but it just doesnt seem they want me at all.Today i rung my mum to ask what else wud she want for xmas..she asked me..what do u want..i was very sad.Today my friend i have was meant to go out with me..she forgot.I put myself on a datin site..no one contacted me but frauds.I havent.had a conversation with anyone in 18 days..I have only talked to my dog.So,yes Angelina has children and Brad.but no one knows how she is deep down..she may be very very lonley.I find it hard finding female friends because im fairly pretty and Ange is a stunner..so imagine women either gey jealous or maybe she finds it hard..I understand where shes coming from.I wish i had friends so much..yes lonliness is actually killing me.Is it essy yo turn into a recluse.Do i even care anymore.Someone mentionef numb..im numb and much more.Im 48 and neva married..neva been asked..my children not with me..they were taken frm Govt so i have nooo family..wen im older i will be very much alone and can see myself in a nursin home later..lonliness is the worse feeling and im dyin inside..it feels so bad wen ur not wanted..new years eve im watchin tv for the 3rd year running..alone..if i go out i look stupid as i sit alone all nite..a horrible embarrassin feeling..i guess GOD is with me so im not completely alone….i have talked too much
I realize this reply is long past your post but it is still heartfelt. I’m sorry fro your sadness and loneliness. It hurts me to hear your words. I hope since your post things have gotten better. We are almost the same age and I’ve been lonely before too.Have you found some avenues for getting out and being with people? I think you should try Meetup–they have thousands of events of all kinds. Just go, don’t overthink it or talk yourself out of it. Pick 5 different fun events/get-togethers that speak to something you might be interested in and then, stick with it- for months or more. I’ve found that people need to see you over and over to trust and feel comfortable moving a relationship past just the quick hello/superficial stage. Go to all the get-togethers, get as active as you can. Don’t let depression or “feeling weird” stop you. Also, how about volunteering opportunities? Doing for others who are in dire straits–that will give you purpose and not only helps them but will make you feel so good about yourself.there are so many volunteer possibilities out there. If you did meetup and picked up a volunteer program or two, you would be so busy, you would forget loneliness- you probably would be looking forward to some alone/down time!These things would let people see who you really are- then, and it may be you that has to gently initiate this- then you could start- after a while– asking people you’ve been hanging out with in a group or volunteering with to go to lunch or to yoga, or to the newest movie, etc.
You mention your kids were ” taken from govt”- not sure exactly what that means… Maybe there are channels where you could still connect with them, reconcile with them, talk to them about what happened that caused them to be “taken”. That sounds like a seriously difficult and painful history for both you and them. Anything you could do to make it better for them and yourself–especially if you’ve grown and are now maybe the person you wished you had been for your children back then– no judgment, just thinking you must have a lot of hindsight and insight and more maturity now -( like I said, we’re almost the same age so I am thinking back over my last 20-25 years)- you should try to do it- get reconciliation or closure, or maybe more. If there is no possibility of reconnecting even through the same govt channels that took them- maybe they can help?? If there is 0 chance, See a therapist to work through that pain. I’m sure there is a lot of connection with your present situation and your past history, how you feel about yourself, etc.
So I’m rooting for you! I hope there is friendship and happiness out there for you– go get it- go try– and kisses to your dog for being there for you ( aren’t dogs the best? ;~) ).
For Anonymous from Cec. 14th, 2011, 2:28pm: I realize this reply is long past your post but it is still heartfelt. I’m sorry fro your sadness and loneliness. It hurts me to hear your words. I hope since your post things have gotten better. We are almost the same age and I’ve been lonely before too.Have you found some avenues for getting out and being with people? I think you should try Meetup–they have thousands of events of all kinds. Just go, don’t overthink it or talk yourself out of it. Pick 5 different fun events/get-togethers that speak to something you might be interested in and then, stick with it- for months or more. I’ve found that people need to see you over and over to trust and feel comfortable moving a relationship past just the quick hello/superficial stage. Go to all the get-togethers, get as active as you can. Don’t let depression or “feeling weird” stop you. Also, how about volunteering opportunities? Doing for others who are in dire straits–that will give you purpose and not only helps them but will make you feel so good about yourself.there are so many volunteer possibilities out there. If you did meetup and picked up a volunteer program or two, you would be so busy, you would forget loneliness- you probably would be looking forward to some alone/down time!These things would let people see who you really are- then, and it may be you that has to gently initiate this- then you could start- after a while– asking people you’ve been hanging out with in a group or volunteering with to go to lunch or to yoga, or to the newest movie, etc.
You mention your kids were ” taken from govt”- not sure exactly what that means… Maybe there are channels where you could still connect with them, reconcile with them, talk to them about what happened that caused them to be “taken”. That sounds like a seriously difficult and painful history for both you and them. Anything you could do to make it better for them and yourself–especially if you’ve grown and are now maybe the person you wished you had been for your children back then– no judgment, just thinking you must have a lot of hindsight and insight and more maturity now -( like I said, we’re almost the same age so I am thinking back over my last 20-25 years)- you should try to do it- get reconciliation or closure, or maybe more. If there is no possibility of reconnecting even through the same govt channels that took them- maybe they can help?? If there is 0 chance, See a therapist to work through that pain. I’m sure there is a lot of connection with your present situation and your past history, how you feel about yourself, etc.
So I’m rooting for you! I hope there is friendship and happiness out there for you– go get it- go try– and kisses to your dog for being there for you ( aren’t dogs the best? ;~) ).
listen, one should be contented with whatever we are,we have,we do!!! there is so much to do in this world yourself that one is just not LONELY or DEPENDENT on anyone! About having FRIENDS: yes ,there are good points as well as bad points in friends, Good ones are those if you are really Lucky to have GENUINE ,HONEST & CARING FRIENDS,as NOWADAYS friends are generally SELFISH,MATERIALIST,DISHONEST &SELF CENTERED, SO I generally feel it’s better to be without friends asto have friends of the latter types,which might upset you to an extent of being disgusted from situations, &being stressed out to finally be on your Own rather than such lousy lot…..when you feel lonely you can do so many good things in life which will give you immense SATISFACTION as well as give PLEASURE AND SATISFACTION to THE NEEDY! ONE can also keep oneself busy in creative activities, like ART/PAINTING, CRAFTS ,JOIN CLUBS/GYMS where one SOCIALIZES OR INTERACTS WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE /INTELLECTUALS from all walks of life, EXPAND your KNOWLEDGE & FEELINGS most importantly REALIZE THAT YOU ARE NOT ALONE IN THIS WORLD!!!
Angelina started her modeling career early. She then starred in several blockbusters on her 20’s. That’s the time that many women are in college or meeting new people. Angeline was busy making millions and being famous.
She has to be selective when choosing friends because magazines pay good money for info about artists, especially someone like her.
She is blessed in every other way; beauty, brains, money, intelligence, health…if she wants friends, she needs to make them.
I agree.
Well obviously I do not know Angelina personally – none of us who are reading this do. But from what I have seen in various interviews with her, she seems to be a very intelligent, caring, down-to-earth human being. She seems very wise beyond her years. So I doubt her lack of close friends has to do with her character.
An actress friend of mine once quoted, “Anything you do deeply is very lonely”. When you have so much passion for your career and family and helping others, it is hard to not only find the time for friendships, but it’s hard to find the true friendships with those who can genuinely understand you. Maybe all the people who try to be her friends are superficial, thinking that they will connect with her because she is a celebrity and they assume she is superficial too. But for all the wonderful work she does, she seems much deeper than that. I think the price she pays for being the kind of person she is, is loneliness. I have known many people (non-celebrities) like this.
I agree, but I sometimes think the whole concept of friendships is over-rated. I think there are millions of people LOVE friendless lives as they are deeper, older souls that just don’t have that specific need. Kind of like those who are highly spiritual yet have no religious affiliation.
I’m a bit surprised by some of the negative comments about Angelina here. Friendships can be difficult at times for everyone, more so for the very talented or very beautiful like her. Unfortunately insecure women sometimes get jealous and lash out unfairly at other women. Perhaps Angelina has endured a lifetime of this, making her wary of taking on many female friends. Give her the benefit of the doubt – clearly she cares for her family and for others through her charity work around the world. And I say this even though I’m also an Anniston fan!
I agree…and I am not a JA fan…lol.
False pretensions!
None of us know Angelina personally…maybe she is a huge b*tch. Maybe she doesn’t have friends because she spends most of her life working on a movie set or traveling around the world and taking care of however many kids she has now. When could she possibly have a free moment to connect? How much a comfort and/or quality time could she possibly devote to a friend? Many women have a hard time juggling friendship, work and kids on a much smaller scale. I cant imagine dealing with what she has going on, let alone having her be my friend…
She has no female friends not because she is beautiful, or she is busy, but because she steals women’s husbands. There are loads of stunningly beautiful women who have friends, and do not make the women in their group feel threatened. Beautiful women are only a threat if you have low self esteem (which is understandable), or they are truely a threat (I think Jennifer Aniston would say that). This does not mean that Brad is not the key issue here, but it does not set up good friendships with other women. You can’t control anyone else, but you don’t need to spend time with women who are a threat.
You are funny. We have all been cheated on, so let it go. These things happen when you are not with your match; BP and JA were not a match. Doesn’t make anyone good, bad, or evil, it means people are human and do crazy stuff. On this blog people are discussing all their friendship problems, same with love relationships – weird happens.
Kiki, no need to essentially laugh in her face. And “let it go” seems odd coming from someone like you who is responding to nearly EVERY COMMENT made here – wow, turn the intensity down girl. Running your mouth all ovee the place, when a five second search to know what you’re even talking about will show you she’s gotten in the middle of marriages before. AJ doesn’t fool me – she’s quite phony and full of herself. I’m not against plastic surgery to be sure, but her “stunning beauty” is bought; she acts slutty (nothing wrong with sleeping with many people, just choose from unattached people instead of being a classless skank), and I’d bet money she is one controlling, immature, jealous b*tch in real day to day life. Always struck me as such a self-pitying phony. I’m sure her more fanatical fans will attack me. I don’t care.
Let me guess…. Kiki has been “the other woman” at least once, so likes to play the “the marriage wasn’t working anyway, so what does it matter?” card.
Doesn’t make the third party classy, trustworthy, or make their interference ok. If you and your TAKEN lover are truly meant to be, guess what? There will be plenty of time to get together after the couple is separated, at least in agreement that they can see others…if not fully divorced or at least no longer living together.
Wow. I have never been the other woman (not once), but I have been cheated on. And it wasn’t fun in any context. I am just saying sometimes we date and/or marry people who are not right for us, which leads to all kinds of chaos. I also know to forgive someone who I really loved for NOT being the right man for me. Why let some cheater make you unhappy forever? The fella who cheated on me did me a favor…he really wasn’t my match.
“Someone” you are very negative and mean to attack others on this blog. You misinterpret what people write and project your stuff onto them. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Do not read internet gossip to back up your thoughts. It seems someone hurt you. Sorry. Being mean here does not help.
Yes, I think between her busy life, beauty, success and fame, friendships are likely very tricky for Angelina. For privacy reasons alone she must be very selective about what to disclose and to whom. We all know how hard it is to find trustworthy friends, and most of us don’t have tabloids willing to pay for juicy info about our lives, so for Angelina the trust issues are 1000 times greater.
For starters, I think someone this beautiful and accomplished is absolutely TERRIFIYINGLY intimidating to many of us, don’t you? And fostering friendships takes so much time; between her celebrity and her family life, I’d think she’d have little time for friends. It’s sad, really, because no matter who you are, I do believe that everyone needs friends, even if it’s one or two.
Fortunately for me, I don’t have those pesky issues of jealousy or competition with other women. Who needs that ridiculous drama? We have enough to do everyday. I always say it depends on your definition of friendship whether or not you believe you need one or many. I have never understood being intimidated by another human. Everyone shares the same humanity, embrace others and learn.
One of the things that I think if I put myself in Angelina’s shoes is: who can you really trust to be honest with you as an ordinary person, and not a celebrity? How can you really have time for close, intimate friendships when your job basically takes you away from home for maybe half the year or more? Also, it gets even more complicated with the kids. I think women will willingly sacrifice their need for friendship for the sake of being available to their children. Additionally, maybe that’s the relationship she had with her mother. I know that’s true in my case. I had a best friend in my mother because of the sacrifices she made for me to live.
@Laura. I feel the same way. My mom was my best friend and taught me about self-respect and self-sacrice by her example. She had five children! Can you imagine? She is the reason I am not jealous or competitive with others, as well as the reason I have great internal moral compass, wisdom.