Needy Friends: A Friend Indeed?

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There are some friends who feel like an emotional ball and chain. They’re always in need of one thing or another: money, favors, help, coddling, praise---or simply more time than you have to give.

Like a wailing toddler, they can be so demanding that their friendship tires you and weighs you down. Who needs that kind of friend? Many women do.
  • People who like feeling needed---or once liked the feeling (even if they don’t anymore)
  • People who feel like they aren’t worthy of healthier, more balanced relationships
  • People who are stuck---either feeling angry or sorry for their needy friend---and feel unable to get out of it
But if you have begun to recognize that a female friendship is a drag, you’ve taken the first step in relieving yourself of the burden.

HOW-TO UNLOAD:
  • Change the nature of your friendship by learning to say “no” and setting boundaries (e.g. “Even though we are both single, I don’t want to spend every Friday night together.”)
  • Tell her that you have to tend to your own needs (or those of anyone else you can think of)
  • Slip away - Spend less time with her and add other less demanding friends to your inventory
  • Take a relationship sabbatical or hiatus from the friendship (you deserve it!)
  • If it's that bad, simply cut loose!
Remember, the term toxic friendships refers to relationships that are consistently negative and draining. It is the pattern, not the one-time or occasional lapses in the balance of needing that occurs between good friends. If your truly needy friend has been that way for some time, the real possibilities of changing the relationship verge on hopeless.

These are people whose needs can never be satiated. No matter what you give, what you do, how much, or how often, it will never be enough. Since character tends to endure, this person probably treats other people the same way she treats you. It’s likely that many of her friends have probably already dropped out of the picture and that’s why she is so dependent on you.
 

***TROUBLED/ NEEDY FRIEND***

I have enjoyed reading the true emotions and grievances of people here. At times, I felt out of line for having the feelings I do. . . I have a friend that I met in high school. We were never best friends, or even personal friends (the ones you invite over your house regularly) but I considered her a friend. Her family moved away and we continued to keep in touch occasionally. Years later my family moved to the same city she was in and we reconnected. That was 5 years ago. Since then she has called me when she wanted to go somewhere (she doesn't have a car).Never calls to say hey I'm making dinner come over and relax. She keeps calling and leaving messages. She makes it impossible to ignore her, calling from blocked or other people's cell phones. I run my own business part time so I would expect it to be a client calling and it'd be her. In the beginning, I was excited to reconnect with a friend from home; someone who I could relate to, so I would make periodic trips to her house. Her family would always have a need for ME to pick someone up, take someone here, or run errands for them. You know once or twice is okay but they made a habit out of it. I was in college trying to get by on scholarship money and they would never consider their requests inappropriate. I began to keep my distance, and she would call to say that she hadn't heard from me and wanting to know what I was up to. She would invite herself out to where I was, using public transportation. By the time she arrived (at sunset), I'd be ready to go, then she'd ask for a ride home for her and the kids. I'm not going to send a young mother of two small kids home at night on the bus and train, so I'd drop them off. Ever since we reconnected, she has been in a poor relationship that she had her children from. She struggles to provide for her kids (she doesn't work) and is dependent on the kids' father to supply their needs. Through the years he's been caught up with the law. I had my own problems to deal with and while in college,and focused on ways to remain positive. She always called with some draining story about how she needs things and doesn't have a way to get them. She complains about the way her life is going and just wants someone to understand. After graduating college, she began to call a lot more for rides to "just get out of the house". She kept laying on the guilt that I was her only real friend that was positive and doing something with her life. I'm single with no kids, employed, and busy. That's very humble of her, but our friendship was so imbalanced. I wasn't receiving any form of reciprocation, just needs and more needs and wants. I didn't want to confide in her, because my problems seemed so much better than hers. All of this carpooling was at my expense. She would NEVER offer any gas money or to pay for a small meal while we were out. I am totally aware that she didn't work but everytime I see her, she had a fresh pedicure and waxed eyebrows. I do not live anywhere close to her. A one way trip is 25 miles, and I have to fasten kiddie seats and listen to her drama. She badmouthed the girls we went to high school with for not sending her kids gifts and baby items. I'm like everyone isn't going to cater to your issues, people have their own. Get up and do for yourself. She would always say things like "You're the only friend I feel like hanging out with today" and its clearly because her other friends with cars have kids too and both of their families won't fit. My parents have an 8 passenger SUV and my needy friend would call to see if I could use that to fit more people in for a mall trip. I did demand gas money from her while driving it and she gave me three dollars for a 45 mile trip she requested. I no longer enjoy her company. She expects to get a pass on being held accountable. I don't mind helping people but I believe that for the inconvenience, she should be willing to reasonably compensate me. She thinks because she's got 2 kids that her enjoyment should be had at other people's expense. For a couple years now I've kept my distance and tried to place myself in her shoes...that's what brings me to help her. Its really drained me. I want to believe in her that she will improve her life and become more independent. How do you tell someone that you no longer want to be friends? (That their all out of favors and trips to jail visitations.) Without killing them (I know she'd be crushed) I value my other friendships because they have quality and depth. Honestly, I wonder what type of friend she would be if she were in a better position, that's what keeps me distantly loyal. Please help!!!

reply to needy

I'll bet she's been here before and it won't come as a surprise at all. She's been using you and now you are used up. I'd tell her straight out--it may be the first time anyone's been straight with her and she needs to hear it. Leech/parasite, she's not going to get up off her fanny until she has to. Why would she if someone else will provide the means for her? If not you, then the dole. Harsh, I know, but I'm all about personal responsibility and accountability. She has kids that she's not setting a good example for and they will be just like her.

Needed some time and space but friend wouldn't give it!

Warning: This is long and it's still an overview of my problem! I am 45 years old and had a friend for about 10 years who is 33. We worked together closely for 8 of those years. The first few years I knew her we didn't do a lot with one another outside of work.I had just had twins. After about 3 years we began to hang out and became pretty close. There have always been times during our early friendship where I would get annoyed with her impulsive behavior or rudeness. So we would go a few weeks without doing much and it would get better. She soon got married to a nice man closer to her age and had children of her own. Seems like since then she has been very possessive of me. She would act jealous if I did things with other mutual friends that didn't include her. While she was pregnant she wanted everyone to come to her house of go where she wanted. While I was pregnant and with young children I stayed home...she went out, and that was fine. She has always been good to support me and listen to me vent about problems I had with my husband, but she always felt uncomfortable around him, so we never did couples things. This winter I found myself getting irritated with everything she said and did. She would make impulsive and inappropriate posts on facebook. Even joking about my husband and using his name. When I would confront her about it, she would always turn it around and somehow make it out to be my fault. During our friendship she would always want to know who was texting me, and would ask in a way that meant she couldn't believe anyone but her should be texting me. She called me everyday and texted me sometimes 3 or 4 times a day, sometimes having entire conversations. I origionally had to get unlimited texting because of her. Recently she began spreading a rumor and I got tangled up in it because of being her friend. It caused me problems at work. She would not drop it, and would continuously bring it up at parties and lie to me and say other people where talking about it. I decided that I'd had enough! I needed to stop spending so much time dealing with her and spend time working on my marriage (that was struggling) and focusing on my children. I began the process of pulling away from my friend. She of course eventually noticed that I was always making excuses about hanging out with her. I explained to her that I was focusing intently on my family and hadn't done anything social without them for many months. When she would drink she would text me saying things like "Don't you need me?", "Can't you work on your marriage and be my friend too?" I would always be nice and tell her I was her friend but this was something I needed to do. Eventually she began making commments on facebook about friendships, what is a good friend, and how she was thankful for the new friends she had made. I got tired of feeling like her posts where digs toward me so I got off of facebook for a week. During that time she blocked me from seeing her posts...and one of my friends told me she posted "Cie la vie!" Then two back to back posts about friendships and true friends etc. Since my goal was to not have to see her posts, and she fixed that, I got back on facebook and began posting about activities I was participating in and just went on living my life. Just a few days ago she sent me a long email that seemed kind of like her way of getting closure. It was nice, but was sprinkled with the ways she felt hurt etc. It angered me because she was the one who blocked me and wrote comments about me. She made comments about me making new friends and doing new things, which isn't true but I felt she must've been reading my posts on facebook. All I asked for was time and space. I had hoped that eventually we could socialize again, but in a more realistic adult capacity. I just feel like talking and texting everyday is a lot to ask of a friend who is married with children. A lot of times I felt like she was treating me like someone who broke off a romantic relationship with her. Many of my other friends would ask me if she was gay and maybe in love with me? It really began to creep me out a little that she professed to be so happy in her job, with her husband and family yet she obessed over my need for space to work on my marriage. To me, it seemed like she thought a good friendship was like the kind you have when you are a girl, single with no responsibilities. I felt like she just liked having me at her disposal, always answering every text and phone call. I would've like to be able to talk to her about this, and be more honest about my feelings but everytime I've tried in the past it's just more drama and she always tries to turn things back on me. I was just tired and felt like it wasn't worth the fight. My marriage and children are the most important things in my life. If she couldn't respect my need to devote my time to them however I saw fit, then she is not the type of friend I want.

best friend and like family

Wow, its amazing how we all can relate to each other with our stories of needy friends. Well to make things more complicated then they already are my needy friend is my best friend and she considers me a sister. I would also like to "vent." I've been friends with her since high school. We've been through a lot together from break-ups, depression, and venturing out to other countries. She conciders me a sister but before we became friends I didn't want to label our friendship. Friends are friends and I don't like to label it because in the end you never know how things may work out. So when I'm talking to another friend on the phone (just an example) she likes to hear the "best friend" label...I'm with my best friend. Maybe its my fault for telling her what she wants to hear. I'm the quite type of person who cares what people think and feels that words have to be chosen wisely. My "best" friend has been going through some issues for some time...she's ended up in the ER several times for panic disorder and they recently found out she has a thyroid problem. As a friend I can only be there when I have time I mean life in america is all about work...we barely get to sit down because of our 45min breaks. I mean I feel selfish telling her when I will have time to visit. She DOES exaggerate when she talks about herself and that she's a horrible person and that's why people don't visit her. She wants the validation and people to tell her she's a good person...and I do tell her but the negative image she has of herself is just tiring. It just seems that her problems become my problems and she tells me that I'm her only other family and I will have to carry that burden ....she tell me that herself. Well aside from the panic disorder that came from having the thyroid problem she's also gay and says she's developed an attachment and that she likes me but knows that if it wasn't for her health all this wouldve been avoided. Its because I've spent so much time with her that she's had a thing for me. So I've don't everything I can I've visited her when she's needed it and listened to her and I've told her that I'm not able to help with her problem because she needs that help from a professional. The friendship feels like it is becoming "toxic". She's even told me that I'm the reason why she stresses....I'm the trigger. The way she explained it is "she wants me there for her but she can't have me there with her." I myself feel like this relationship is making me go mad. At this point in my life I've finished school but have to keep up with continued education and taking exams to acquire a license....I myself am a "loner"....never thought of having friends as a competetion...I like the lonliness and right now I feel like I need the tranquility that comes with it. I need to mentally prepare for my own future. Selfish to say?....I can really relate to the other comments people have left. I feel like if I take a little from what everyone has said that describes my friendship. Yeah I mean there's been times when I've ended up in the hospital and have been bed ridden but I never bring it up and I don't hold people or friends against it...if they didn't have time to visit then oh well I don't dwell on it people have lives and responsibilies and circumstances as to why they can't be there for you. I'm the kind of person who doesn't know how to say "no" when someone needs help. With all the problems my friend has I can only suggest her one thing and that is to keep up with the treatment for hyperthyroidism and consult a therapist. Well to keep it short because I've vented way too much we got into this argument. She went in to the ER this past weekend and I was outta town without a car she expected me to show up and bend over backwards for her when it was hard to do especially when I didn't have my car with me. I told her I'd see her when I get back. I saw her and she told me that I failed her expectations as a friend because I wasn't there when she most needed it. Anyway guess that's all I have to get out of my chest...*sigh* PS. Sorry for the misspelling, grammar, and punctuation. Its so hard when typing from a phone.

Reply to Best Friend and Like Family

Hi,

It sounds like this relationship is confusing to both of you. Friend, best friend, sister, love interest? You need to give yourself some time and space to back up and think about what you want from the relationship rather than reacting reflexively because you are afraid to say NO.

 

Also, you do a pretty impressive job typing from a phone! :-) 

best friend and like family

Wow, its amazing how we all can relate to each other with our stories of needy friends. Well to make things more complicated then they already are my needy friend is my best friend and she considers me a sister. I would also like to "vent." I've been friends with her since high school. We've been through a lot together from break-ups, depression, and venturing out to other countries. She conciders me a sister but before we became friends I didn't want to label our friendship. Friends are friends and I don't like to label it because in the end you never know how things may work out. So when I'm talking to another friend on the phone (just an example) she likes to hear the "best friend" label...I'm with my best friend. Maybe its my fault for telling her what she wants to hear. I'm the quite type of person who cares what people think and feels that words have to be chosen wisely. My "best" friend has been going through some issues for some time...she's ended up in the ER several times for panic disorder and they recently found out she has a thyroid problem. As a friend I can only be there when I have time I mean life in america is all about work...we barely get to sit down because of our 45min breaks. I mean I feel selfish telling her when I will have time to visit. She DOES exaggerate when she talks about herself and that she's a horrible person and that's why people don't visit her. She wants the validation and people to tell her she's a good person...and I do tell her but the negative image she has of herself is just tiring. It just seems that her problems become my problems and she tells me that I'm her only other family and I will have to carry that burden ....she tell me that herself. Well aside from the panic disorder that came from having the thyroid problem she's also gay and says she's developed an attachment and that she likes me but knows that if it wasn't for her health all this wouldve been avoided. Its because I've spent so much time with her that she's had a thing for me. So I've don't everything I can I've visited her when she's needed it and listened to her and I've told her that I'm not able to help with her problem because she needs that help from a professional. The friendship feels like it is becoming "toxic". She's even told me that I'm the reason why she stresses....I'm the trigger. The way she explained it is "she wants me there for her but she can't have me there with her." I myself feel like this relationship is making me go mad. At this point in my life I've finished school but have to keep up with continued education and taking exams to acquire a license....I myself am a "loner"....never thought of having friends as a competetion...I like the lonliness and right now I feel like I need the tranquility that comes with it. I need to mentally prepare for my own future. Selfish to say?....I can really relate to the other comments people have left. I feel like if I take a little from what everyone has said that describes my friendship. Yeah I mean there's been times when I've ended up in the hospital and have been bed ridden but I never bring it up and I don't hold people or friends against it...if they didn't have time to visit then oh well I don't dwell on it people have lives and responsibilies and circumstances as to why they can't be there for you. I'm the kind of person who doesn't know how to say "no" when someone needs help. With all the problems my friend has I can only suggest her one thing and that is to keep up with the treatment for hyperthyroidism and consult a therapist. Well to keep it short because I've vented way too much we got into this argument. She went in to the ER this past weekend and I was outta town without a car she expected me to show up and bend over backwards for her when it was hard to do especially when I didn't have my car with me. I told her I'd see her when I get back. I saw her and she told me that I failed her expectations as a friend because I wasn't there when she most needed it. Anyway guess that's all I have to get out of my chest...*sigh* PS. Sorry for the misspelling, grammar, and punctuation. Its so hard when typing from a phone.

One thing I have learned is

One thing I have learned is that just because someone reaches out to you to become friends, it's no guarantee that you have a compatible friendship style and therefore, will remain friends. Part of a healthy friendship is the establishment of appropriate boundaries. When there is a disagreement as to the extent of those boundaries, conflict will occur and it's up to the two of them to decide if the relationship will continue. And if one party doesn't want to continue, then it can't really continue, now can it?

feeling horrible, because I AM that person...

I'm a needy friend. I feel like I'm just now discovering that I'm a horrible person or something, while all along I just thought I was normal, enjoying making close personal friendships. I'm angry because my best friend of ten years, who used to be so supportive of me, has recently started pulling away. For me, it's important to have that one-on-one meet up with a friend to reconnect every now and again, but he doesn't feel that way. Any time I ask if he wants to do something he always comes up with an excuse. I go for several months without getting together one-on-one. I see him when I'm with other friends, but it's not the same to me. I need to have someone value me enough to want to see me outside of a group. (He sees things differently, doesn't think it's so crucial.) I ask him how he's doing, and he feels that I'm nagging him for details about his life... and I probably do, because getting any info is like pulling teeth with him. But it's an awful feeling to think that your friend doesn't want to share anything with you, and the more I try, the more he pulls away. The problem came to a head recently because he started dating (this is new for him, he came out of the closet a couple years ago), and I didn't even know. He felt that I had no right to invade his personal life by asking about it, and I felt that after knowing someone for 10 years, I shouldn't HAVE to ask these things... I guess I take it for granted that my best friend would WANT to share. I don't know. It's very confusing. I think we are polar opposites, and I'm just realizing that. I'm ultra-needy because I like to share everything, feel hurt when others don't update me on their lives, and have no trouble being around someone a couple times a week; he's a huge loner. It hurts because he seems to think the problem is all me, and I get very emotional every time we get together to try hashing things out (which I hate and probably makes me seem even more pathetic in his eyes). I've tried giving him his space, but he needs SO much space that I come away from it feeling empty and under-appreciated. I really do put everything into my friendships, and he puts in close to nothing. I KNOW that I need to feel validated, that I don't have the best self-esteem, and that I should have more friends so the pressure isn't on him so much. Ugh. Is it really all me? Am I this awful abomination of a person who hates herself so much that she pushes people away through an attempt to get closer? I love this friend, I really do, but do I need to let him go since we're so different? A friend of 10 years who has been through so much with me? I don't want to be a needy friend, I really don't. But the more he fights me, the needier and more desperate I become, fearing that I'm losing him (which only makes it worse). Sometimes I think it's just starting to hurt more than it's worth.

A word of advice: the fact

A word of advice: the fact that you are using exaggerations like "I'm a horrible person," and "I'm a awful abomination" clues us all that you may need to seek therapy to have a more balanced view of yourself. Unless you're a serial killer, you're not a horrible person or an abomination. You may have issues unresolved from childhood, or never really had healthy models of relationships to form healthy and mutually satisfying relationships. I really do suggest that you at least have one session to see if you don't have any other deeper issues. The need to feel validated, if very strong, can be a detriment to yourself and an impediment to relationships. Also, cut your friend some slack: he just came out of the closet and this isn't an easy thing. People can withdraw when they are depressed, stressed, or are ready to move onto another place in their life. The problem is that you are taking it personally and letting it harm you. Just as there are toxic friendships that are harmful to you, there are indifferent or one-sided friendships that can harm you too if you're the one always initiating. You must accept the fact that you cannot impose your view of what a friendship should be on an unwilling party. It's a fact of life. And you should take care of yourself instead of perhaps harming yourself with tortuous thoughts about this friend who has become indifferent.

Another Perspective

I have often heard and read about "needy" or emotionally draining friendships. While I do not support people who use friends or are financially dependent on their friends, I do have to speak up for the people who go to friends to vent, cry or share the details about their crises to a friend. Remember that there are people who have gone through really traumatic experiences such as: rape, murder of a loved one, victim or a crime, divorce, infidelity or other betrayal, etc. Some people just have it harder in life and I think we need to remember that. I have experienced some of the crises I listed above and I can tell you that I would have preferred not to have the experience in the first place instead of dishing to a friend about it. Before judging your friends, ask yourself: "Have I been through went my friend is experiencing?" If you haven't, then think very carefully before you judge, as you don't know how you would react. You may have been an even worse emotional trainwreck. Even if your friend seems to be upset over something that seems insignificant, it could be that they have endured other harrowing experiences that they haven't told you about and they just want things to go smoothly for a change. I'm a pretty charitable person, so I don't mind being there for friends in need. There are billions of people on this planet and very few people who actually love you and will be there for you when you are at your worst. An acquaintance tried to commit suicide a few years ago. No one knew he was so troubled. He was quiet and he never shared his sadness or depression with anyone. Perhaps, if he were not afraid of being "needy" or "emotionally draining" or some other label, we would have been able to help him earlier. Think before judging. You may be saving someone's life without even knowing it.

Traumatized versus Needy Person

I think you have a point regarding people who have had very traumatic life experiences. But to overload another who is not prepared or can help you get over the trauma is also unfair. They cannot make up for that trauma and the pain that it caused you. Anytime a person has gone through horrible trauma, the best thing to do is to seek regular and therapeutic counseling. A good friend would help you find a therapist. Unfortunately, too many people want a friend to become that. That can't happen unless the person has been trained to deal with that level of trauma. And it doesn't really help the person to get better. Part of moving on from trauma is to not let it have power over you, invading your thoughts and dominating your conversations and your worldview. A friend can't do this for you: you have to get to that point yourself. The article's point really dealt with the needy person who wants to be validated constantly, needs to hear from you frequently, always makes plans with you, barges in on you, doesn't leave you with space for yourself, resents or doesn't respect that you have demands are your time with family and other friends, etc., to the point that you who are on the receiving end are exhausted, resentful and see nothing positive coming out of the relationship. Needy people can also be narcissistic or self-centered since they are so focused on what they need out of the relationship and don't take a step back to think, well, maybe the other person cannot or is unwilling to fulfill those needs. A needy person is so focused on what they need and what they're not getting that they fail to modify their behavior to the response from the other person. The needy person also might have a worldview that if they gave so much to the other person, then the other person is obliged to fulfill their expectations.

I have a friend of 35 years

I have a friend of 35 years that I have watched year after year struggle with all of her relationships. She repeatedly calls to tell me that she is hurt and upset with something I've said or done (even if it has been years since the so-called offense. She has shown rage and in order to calm her down, I have repeatedly said I was sorry and took the blame on myself. It just wasn't worth the drama to become defensive. I've wondered for years why I would have someone this long in my life that has embarrassed me by yelling at friends if we have a dinner party, slamming the hoods of cars that interfere with her path, emotionally and physically abusing her adult children, etc. The truth is, she doesn't see this in herself. Everyone in her presence thinks she is self-focused to the extreme. I have always felt sorry for her because she had such a tramatic childhood and didn't want to be just another person to walk away. Here's the kicker. She is a licensed psychologist. Not only that, but last week, she told me she was 'done' with me because I didn't enrich her life. That I did not 'see' her, did not 'hear' her, and was too judgemental and defensive if she came to me when she was hurt. I don't have a clue about what to do. Count my blessings and run? Try to communicate? Is this just manipulation because I've been so busy lately? It is crazy making and I don't want to walk away from someone I now think may have a serious personality disorder. What to do? Any advice? Here's the kicker

manipulation-yes

There is such good sharing here and I must say, I have lots I ccoul share as well. Bottom line, once I saw how toxic two co-workers were and I distanced myself, my daily migraines ceased. I experience peace, I work better and times they try to 'pull' me in, I remember how much they would drain me with their drama. Yes, there are people out there that twist things around and manipulate us. A relationship should be a win-win situation. Life dose throw us tragedies and we need friends to help us get through those times but when you see that they continually make bad choices, not do anything to improve their situation and it continues, get away! Love yourself and YOUR life with the people you love. Be strong!

traumatised versus needy

Hi I just found your site after looking for some help! I have a new friend who is causing me concern. I have not known her for long and she is having a very hard time- difficult teenagers and a very poorly husband. I really feel for her but she is always needing help. Picking the kids up, calling round for hours at a time to talk etc. Now she is asking me to look after her son for her while she goes away. More worrying is the fact that she is really good at getting me to tell her about my own empotional baggeage and then lecturing me for hours about it. She is is really offhand if I ever say I can't help her and I am finding myself worrying about saying no - I'm even inventing stuff as to why I am not able to help - this is stupid as I am an appauling liar and end up contradicting myself or lying awake worrying about what I said. I am really not sure how to handle her, she does need help but is just being so demanding that I don't feel I can do everything she wants

Reply to traumatized vs. needy

Sounds like you could get sucked into a never-ending pit---my suggestion would be to help her get help! Since she is a new friend, you need to think about whether this is a one-sided relationship or whether it is satisfying for you too!

Best,

Irene

 

 

I have a similar problem

I have a similar problem which I have tried to solve over the last two years but it hasn't worked and now I don't know how to proceed. Our friendship started off great, but then he got a crush on me which turned into love and was not reciprocated. He was under the impression that I should love him and date him just because he really loved me, and when I rejected him he took it very badly.
We remained friends and now he says he doesn't love me anymore but he has remained incredibly needy. He has no other friends, doesn't try to make new friends and ignores his family. I feel quite trapped because he makes contact with all of my friends and this makes me not want to vent to them about him. Now he is in severe financial difficulty, all of his own making, and he wants me to help him out. I don't want to and I have told him this, but his solutions for survival seem to be to get me to give him money or to move in with me to save costs. If I had to have him around me all the time I think I would have a breakdown.

not sure on this FRIENDSHIP

I have a friend I very much care about. I like spending time with her, but since she got married not long ago things have changed. She is currently unemployed and I became unemployed recently. She likes coming over to my place which I don't mind and I enjoy her company, but one thing that stops me from inviting her over is that she always wants to stay over for dinner or lunch, and when it is time to leave she insists that I drop her off at the bus stop (by walking, I don't drive). This was all very well in the beginning and I was happy to go along with her, but recently I feel I need to have time more to myself to figure out what I want from life. Her outlook in life is kind of gloomy and insists that she is being realistic and that I am the naieve one. I am a very independent person and enjoy different people's company, I like doing things and going out and having a good time and generally be positive about everything, and I manage to do this although I don't have a job. However when my friend is around she prefers to stay at my place all day long, we can't go out. And when we do go out she is without money and I end up paying for her lunch or anything else that she may need and never pays me back. I even raised the issue of the money that she owes me, but she weasels her way out of it. I don't expect anything from her anymore. I care about our friendship, but recently I just feel I am bogged down around her and our friendship is one sided. It has become regular of her to expect of me to provide food for her when we go out, I just feel like telling her that I'm not your husband. Like the others on this forum, I am a quiet, shy person and am constantly aware and sensitive to others emotions. I have very few friends. I try to distance myself from her but I don't want to lose her because she is my closest friend, but I don't want to be used either. I am writing here because Im not sure how I feel about her and I need some outside opinions, because I just find it hard to believe my friend for a long time could be manipulating me. Maybe if I get some views I could look at it from a different point of view which I can't do right now. So please tell me what you think.

Sometimes it is difficult to

Sometimes it is difficult to realize that we are not compatible with people that we once were. This is the impermanence of all things in life. Perhaps slowly backing away from the relationship will help. Over time she will get the hint and move on. Do it with loving kindness. Just remember, people who are in need or who don't feel good about themselves will gravitate towards a positive person with good energy. This can suck you dry. I have just had this happen to me. Unfortunately, even though I ended my friendship with loving kindness, I received all types of backstabbing comments and criticisms. I accept my friend for who she is and love her, but I can no longer be friends with her. She needs professional help. I hope this helps you out. Stay positive!

Emotionally-Energy Draining Friendship

While my situation is not as intense as most, I thought this would be a good place to vent. About three years ago, I became friends with my nextdoor neighbor. She is very nice and has a good heart. But as time went on, her life drama and crises became more and more frequent and I was the one she called to "vent". And she would push and push for us to get together. (And just FYI, I am a bit of a loner and don't think I have ever once felt lonely, I love the peace and serenity that comes from being alone.) She also was pushing me to become more involved in issues that were important to her. Being a Small Business owner and recently becoming caretaker for my mother, I don't have the energy or the time for a lot of the things that I used to. All of my other friends get this about me and they understand it and know that I will ALWAYS be there for them and I know they will ALWAYS be there for me as well, no matter if we speak everyday or once in a few months or more. Anyway, over the last month and a half or so, I have been trying to distance myself from her little by little... trying to explain that business has gotten busy and my mother has been taking a lot of my time and energy (which are both actually true). I have been doing this because I just cannot stand that every single day she is calling me and crying and/or whining about how something in her life is in crisis (usually, something very minor, at least to me anyway). She drains all of my energy everytime we talk or get together. Now, don't get me wrong, she has also been very supportive of me when I run into a rough patch, however, I am a very strong, independent and positive person, so my rough patches are few and far between. I spoke with her on Friday and she asked what I was doing that evening. I told her I was going to the dentist and coming home to catch up on some work. I also explained to her that my business was growing and I probably was going to have less and less time available for get togethers (I tried to say this as pleasantly and diplomatically as possible). She immediately said she had to get off the phone. She called me later and left me a message (in tears of course). She said she was tired of "hitting a wall" and being told that I was too busy. That she thought that she had done a good job trying to be supportive of my life and my dreams but know she's not sure. She said she is going to "back-off" and if I wanted to call her, I was more than welcome, but she would not be calling me. It seemed to me that she was trying to say that I have not been a very good friend to her. Well, I think I have been a GREAT friend to her and putting up with all of her obsessiveness and negativity. So, now I am just plain angry that she could even say these things to me!!! But at the same time, it's making me doubt my values and integrity of being a friend to others. In addition to being a "loner", I am also a conflict avoider. As much as I would like to call this person and let her know just what I'm thinking of her, I know I won't. Don't know if this will be the end of the friendship, but i do know that no matter what I do or don't do is never enough for her and I'm tired of trying!!! Thanks for letting me vent!!!!

a great friend

I think you need to think about what you want. You wanted her to call less. She's promised not to call, and to let YOU be the one who decides it all. You call when you want to, now, period. What she said was that you're "more than welcome to call her." But she's not going to call you anymore. Hooray! You got exactly what you wanted. No more annoying calls, AND you didn't have a fight or lose a friend over it. So what's the problem here? You're thinking of calling her and "telling her what you think of her?" You don't think she already knows? You don't think that's what she was crying about? She correctly read between your lines and recognized that you don't want her friendship, that you think she's needy and negative and not worth your time. So what's making you angry? Is it that for the first time in the relationship, you don't feel superior to her? Her pattern of calling you most likely affirmed for both of you, that you're independent and she's needy. That put you in a superior position. I'll bet you never call her. I'll bet that on those occasions when she resolves to make no requests, no complaints, you cut the call very short. I'll bet that when she's called sounding happy and wanted you to go somewhere, to take the friendship to more positive ground, you've begged off. You're like the thief who isn't sorry he stole, but is enraged that he got caught. How dare she "say those things" she didn't say? How dare she be the one to end the situation, instead of dangling on your hook forever? And worst of all, she did it NICELY! You WERE a bad friend to her. You still are. You're angry because she noticed, and did the healthy, honest, and mature thing. She left it up to you whether things are going to change in your friendship or not. She owned her half of the problem. In one move, she stopped being reassuringly inferior and dumpable for you, and also ended your illusion of superiority over her.

I think you are exactly the

I think you are exactly the kind of person that people who search for help on this blog are complaining about. So, you are the end all know all of what friendship is? Don't you suppose that definition lies with the friend, not you? If life is not on your terms, you have a fit don't you?

I have to disagree with the

I have to disagree with the judgments - yes, calling someone a "bad friend" without intimate knowledge of details is a judgment - laid at this woman. If you are a needy person and you get the clues/hints that this person is not going to be available for you 24/7 for you to vent, cry, hang out with, then you have to take a hint. The needy person actively pursued this woman - she didn't "steal" anything. The crux of the situation is needy people make other people feel guilty and then make them feel hurt for them not being able to fulfill Needy Person's needs. In fact, in this case, Needy Person was a self-absorbed, and yes, a bit selfish, to want to pursue someone who was taking care of her mother and in business for herself. Friendship is a two-way street: if you're the one always calling needing help, needing to vent, etc., then please be honest and go to therapy. The fundamental problem is the expectations of friendship and the reality of real life.

i know exactly what you

i know exactly what you mean, maybe we can support one another, i need it

on opposing friendship types and the trouble that causes

I appreciated your comments on the previous woman's post... I currently have a friend of 10 years (a gay male friend, which may alter the situation slightly, but doesn't negate my point), and we've reached a very difficult point in our long friendship. I've (finally) realized the extent to which he thinks it's intrusive to ask about his feelings or his life, in addition to not understanding why I would want to meet up on occasion just with him to "reconnect." He's very similar to the loner type of the previous post. He neither requires, nor gives much in a friendship. It's just his style, but it's become extremely hurtful to me because I give EVERYTHING... I love baking cookies and giving presents every once in a while just to show how much I value my friends, I like to share details about each others' lives, and I like to have intimate one-on-one get togethers to catch-up. Whereas he sees sharing his life as intrusive and frustrating, I see it as an essential part of friendship: the ability to love the other person enough to WANT to share these things. I enjoy my personal space, but he can go for months without batting an eye, and this is hard for me. I suggest we do something, just for 20 minutes, even going so far as to agree to meet at the coffee shop right outside his place, and am consistently shot down. We talked, and it seems that the harder I try to "save" the friendship by wanting to talk and do things, the more he pushes me away because these are the things he avoids. He thinks my friendships are akin to what he would have in a romantic relationship, but for me the line between those two things, perhaps, is not as demarcated as his. I'm not attracted to him, which I've made clear, but I've had friendships with women that weren't nearly as complicated, because we wanted and appreciated the same things. How did I go for ten years without knowing he was so very different from me? I guess it was because I recently moved into the same city after years communicating via email. I'm currently trying to decide if it's worth keeping the friendship... this is tricky, because even if we both give a little on our perspectives, we still might end up resenting each other. But he's been through hell and back with me, even through the loss of a mutual best friend. I'd appreciate any comments.

My advice: lay off, stop

My advice: lay off, stop calling and stop suggesting get-togethers with a person that is not reciprocating. Let his conduct be your guide as to how to treat him. Remember the platinum rule: treat others as THEY want to be treated, not how you want to be treated. If you feel that you must have an intimate, sharing friendship in order to feel fulfilled, then he is not up to your standards. You said so yourself that you find his distance hurtful. Why would you invest emotional time and energy is something that is hurtful to you? Also, even though he's gay, he's not a woman and will probably never have the same view of life as you. I see this all the time: ladies, gay men are STILL MEN. They are not "women" psychologically speaking with a male body. Testosterone actually makes men less emotional (tender feelings) and more hostile (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1799770/the_effects_of_testoste...). Recognizing this fact will end up benefiting you, who feels is the injured party. Do not put yourself in a position where you will be hurt. Find other people that will appreciate you and that you also can appreciate. Recognize that not everyone holds your view of nurturing friendships and deep emotional intimacy.

Needy colleague

I just recently discovered a needy person on my job. She's a nice person, but when she comes around the atmosphere immediately turns into gloom and doom. I happen to be a positive person and I know some people draw from this in me, but sometimes it's more work for me than you think. I sometimes want to go straight to my office and start working without any interruptions, unless it pertains to work. If I don't speak to her right away she gets mad. If I don't run up to her with a happy face she thinks something is wrong. If I'm being quiet, which is usually how I work, then something must be wrong. I made the mistake of buying her lunch one day and ever since then she hints around for me to buy her lunch. I hate it when someone takes my kindness for granted. If I do something for you it's because I want to. But, don't expect this all the time. I am a loner who hardly ever feels alone. And if I do feel alone I know how to invite people in without expecting them to be there or else. I just wish people understood that not all people need to have people around all the time. And, if you feel worse during and after being around someone, then it's time for you to move on. People will either add to your life, or take from it. The question you need to ask yourself is, what are your friendships to you, not them?

needy friends

Womens lives are crazy busy lives and families do require work and time but ya know good friends will invite good friends partly into their families as an extension of the family. Eventually, children grow up and often move far away when this happens their Moms are going to want friends who know their kids to fill in the gap and be interested in hearing about how these flown the coop kids are. Maybe your perception of neediness is not as accurate as it may seem to you because of how time flies with life being so busy. I had a nightmare friendship forced on me in HS. It was either have the phone thrust at me every 9 min. for the 60th time or give in as I was not allowed to disconnect all the phones in the house to get some peace. She would not take no for an answer. She lied about her Mom attacking her which I could understand why her Mom might get up set with her. She had begun attending my Church. I am stand offish because in my ending the relationship my best friends cut me off in her support. I am traumatized after seventeen years still. I have an aquaintaince or two but never can seem to reach out. I did about a year ago and got slaped in my face as needy after what only four meetings in three months from a boorish motor mouth. I feel like you guys put the bar really low for neediness. Nice people reach out to other women not lucky enough to have such great lives as you portray. You don't nit pick reasons to judge others as needy. I heard from Readers Digest that women who center their lives all around work and kids are the dysfunctional one. Don't judge least you be judged.

Who is judging here?

The posts here are attempting to condense years of needy, toxic, draining so called friendships. You can get a snapshot of the destructive patterns and only a snapshot or a glimpse of these type of relationships. The person sharing has usually kept with the relationship cause we focus on helping or by the times the relationship actually feels like it's working. For you to judge all here shows who you are. Fact is, you will see these needy, clingy people haven't learned to be happy with themselves.

lack of education

So if you are not content in your life maybe you could take an adult education class and learn how to write in English. Look, I don't speak or write absolutely in absolutely perfect grammar but the wording at least makes sense. This post was perfectly reasonable and understandable. You wouldn't be so defensive if you weren't one of these psychic vampires yourself, which you obviously are. Get a life.

Thanks for sharing your insight, Haukku~

Sounds like you are in touch with your feelings and have a plan to handle them!

 

Best,

Irene

Thank you very much for the

Thank you very much for the excellent and useful subject.

Needy-Intrusive-Unaware, Overbearing-Vampiric People!

Indeed, the friend moving across the street takes the cake! I've met sooooooooo many people like this. (Not sure why my paragraphs aren't separated on this site) Nurturers naturally attract these people. I have also noticed that if you grew up with a parent (or other family member) like this, you can repeat this type of relationship. It can really be a type of puzzle. When one attracts the same type of friend or mate over and over, it's an opportunity to grow stronger by dealing with this person creatively, directly, and many times sternly. These types of relationships are one-way streets. To have the life you want to have, you MUST ENFORCE BOUNDARIES (sometimes this means a PPO.........not that those mean much to the seriously 'disturbed' cases). I used to let people rule my time, and throughout my 20s, I became a very resentful person. I felt robbed of time I wanted to use on my own personal goals. I have to practice what I've learned again tonight on a person that just moved into our apartment building. I realized they need boundaries set when they sat and talked on and on after I explained that my disabled child doesn't leave me with much time for my studies! *Here is what has helped me. First, it's true that you teach people how to treat you. Maya Angelou has said that, and someone posted it here as well. It's up to you to take the helm! No one is gonna step in and save you (no matter how many times you click your heels....or boots). In the initial stages of friendship and acquaintances, I make it a point to tell people that I'm a loner and that I value my solitude. I drop all the hints right away. I don't do un-announced visits. I'm always working on my art or doing things with my children. If they don't get it, I make myself unavailable. If they still don't get it, you have to say as nicely as possible, "I don't have time for a social life (or whatever you need to say). I have a family, job, project, that I need to deal with alone. You may have to say 'we can't see each other anymore'. If they don't get that, then you probably have a straight-up psycho on your hands, and you may end up involving the law. Lastly, don't feel guilty. I have a moderately mentally unstable friend who I still talk to. Somewhere, somehow, he learned that I love him no matter how long between phone calls. (Straight girl/gay boy relationships can be dramatic, passive-aggressive messes sometimes). He even said that even though I hate talking on the phone, he knows I will call him when I'm ready and that I've been there for him when it counted (deaths). Real friends can NOT talk for years and pick up where they left off with no guilt trips or hard feelings. Hey, and I think my cat finally stopped taking it personally as well :o)

Needy friends

I can relate to you 100%. I'm now in my early 40's enjoying the time I used to give away so freely to people who only clung to me to keep themselves afloat. I finally embraced solitude when I was diagnosed with Crohn's disease. It was at this time in my life I realized who my true friends were. It also gave me a way out of all the needy friendships that drowned me with constant drama and trauma. These unbalanced friendships taught me that there are two types of people in this world. There are givers, and there are takers. Givers are known to give far above their capacity to give without expecting anything in return. And yet takers never run out of room to store up all the things they selfishly expect you to give them. I have become a giver and taker to myself. I give myself time and space to grow, learn and live life to the fullest. I take myself out on dates, because I'm single, but I don't have to be single in a group to not feel alone. I give myself pats on the back, because I have to encourage myself sometimes to keep going forward. I give myself gifts, affirmations, and faith to believe in myself when no one else does. So, for this I can actually thank these people for what they taught me about myself. Unfortunately, these people can't be apart of my life, but they will always be apart of the journey of me discovering how confident, and free I can be on my own.

Thanks so much for your thoughtful post!

It's nice to hear when people work out problems in a way that is satisfying. My best,

Irene

"Friends or users"

Poor you. I do feel very sorry because you are trapped. What I would do in your situation is have a heart to heart with this person. It may end the so called friendship, but maybe that's the desired outcome. Rather than ignore her, which would make her angry and not resolve anything, tell her straight that she is monopolising your life and it must stop now. It's difficult and not pleasant and I have done that once in my life where a single girlfriend would telephone me every night and want to chat for two hours! It was the same complaints and issues every night. She drove me crazy. (We weren't exactly friends. Friends socialise and take turns at organising outings. This girl didn't. She left all the organising to me, so I felt used.). I finally had to tell her that we could not be friends anymore. It got so bad that I thought I was going to have a stroke. I dreaded the phone ringing. Take my advice - do whatever it takes to reduce or stop the contact. Even if it means having an unlisted telephone number and maybe a new cell phone number.

Not all 'hear'

Just wanted to comment that your advise to just tell the person straight out, we can't be friends anymore works ONLY if they 'listen'. Many times they just do not listen but I'm glad it worked for you - great! Here's to finding healthy relationships!

Reply to Mina

Mina:

Thanks so much for your very thoughtful post describing the steps that have worked for you! Thanks, too, for reading my blog~

Best, Irene

My pleasure. I know what a

My pleasure. I know what a burden this can be for 'good listeners'.

I am the clingy friend

I am the clingy friend you're all talking about. Some of us can't stop this behavior no matter how much we try. We do it out of anguish. But we do understand you. When you leave, deep inside some of us will understand it, we feel guilty, no matter what we say or do. So don't be afraid to leave us. It's not only that the world can't stand us, that's because we can't stand ourselves, and when we find someone who seems to perceive us as someone valuable and worthy of love, we need you to make us feel that way. It's literally like a drug.

me too

i used to be like that. my needy behaviour was so despaerate that it ruined many relationship. it was only when i had a good friend who also trained as a Psychiatric nurse and counsellor and she was able to give me insight into my behavoiur that was driving people away. incidentally, i had been diagnosed by a doctor with a personality disorder (Borderline Personality)- please don't get me wrong, am not saying you have this disorder, it has many other symptoms other than neediness- and had been in treatment for years for the self-harm and mood-swings symptoms, but the neediness had never been looked at. its taken me a lot of time to overcome the need i have for attention/validation, and to stop "acting out" to get it, but am getting there. i joined a church and made friends who love me and understand i have an issue. Eventually i went into Cognitive Therapy (CBT) which helped enormously. there IS hope, but it isn't easy. maybe counselling would help you too?

me too me too

omg i sooo can relate to your post my email address is thepublishedauthor@yahoo.com can you tell me about your cbt and what not i am in the same boat my name is cindy

I too have become a clingy

I too have become a clingy friend and really could use some assistance. I've been visiting my family which has become a very draining visit (a lot of tension and some jealousy issues) and therefore have been turning to my best friend of 11 years for support. However, I notice with myself that I seem to be doing all of the calling, contact and when we do talk...she seems emotionally withdrawn. Last night when we talked I told her I felt like I was being a pest & worried about it a lot. Her response to me was...if you worry about it...it happens. It hurts...and right now...I just want to break the cycle and have a healthy friendship again. I miss that with her. Any advice?

Reply to "I too have become clingy"

It is so hard to judge a friend's emotions over the phone...you don't know when you caught her, how she was feeling, and what she was doing. Also, being away from home sounds very stressful for you. Don't assume the worst.

The most likely scenario is that your friendship will return to normal when you're back home.

Best,

Irene

 

 

Reply to clingy friend

Hi Clingy Friend:

Insight is the first step towards change. You sound so uncomfortable being clingy that you need to find a way to set some boundaries for you and your friends.

Thanks so much for your candor and for posting.

Best, Irene

Thank you.

I was very interested to read this comment. I often wondered if any of these clingy friends realized they were behaving inappropriately. I've just finally rid myself of my needy friend, and I'm relieved to read that in some recesses of this woman's mind, perhaps she might actually understand why. Thank you for being so open and honest.

Oh, well mine takes the cake.

I have been friends with the most needy, self absorbed, delusional person for nearly 8 years now. This woman can be absolutely toxic at times to the point that I have panic attacks when I feel trapped into interacting with her lately. This has never really been a 50/50 sort of relationship. I tend to be a loner by choice and I'm quite content to be with my husband and 3 kids with minimal if any social interaction. My friend knows this but for some reason doesn't understand that it not only applies to her but has been made worse by her. Of course, as these things go, I am her ONLY friend.

This is the balls to the walls bizarre part that has thrown this relationship into crazytown -she just MOVED from 3 states away and bought a house DIRECTLY across the street from mine 3 months ago. Yes, she's 20 steps from my front door at nearly all times. My life has become a nightmare and now I'm completely trapped in this beyond ridiculous situation with a woman who treats me passive aggressively and is intensely critical of me. She involves herself in my life, unsolicitedly, and is completely obsessed with me. I feel stalked. I hardly, if ever, initiate contact but she's always calling me to tell me that she is hungry or tired or bored or whatever meaningless b.s. is going on with her. She always acts as though her completely mundane activities should be my concern all the way down to her bowels. Yet at the very same time she is completely uninterested in how I feel or what I think about pretty much everything. Oh, except for fashion. That we can discuss ad nauseum during my forced weekly project runway viewing.

After three months of living as neighbors my "friend" now knows my daily schedule by heart and injects herself into my basic daily errands like shopping trips and jogging - rudely and forcefully - if necessary. She'll decide that WE MUST make such and such for dinner TONIGHT and will not take no for an answer no matter what the heck is going on in my life at the moment. She'll become literally hostile when I don't comply as she expects me to. I eventually give in though sometimes it takes days for her to wear me down to a particular commitment, she'll persist. I'm strong but this woman is crazy and I don't stand a chance. She will not except anything but what she expects of me no matter how unreasonable it is or how I resist. I have yet to erect any meaningful or lasting boundaries in this relationship because she's unbelievably mean and evil when things don't go her way. She's known for sending her military husband out like a rabid dog to crew out anyone who crosses her (of course, he's a victim too -quite a delightful man actually, poor guy). She freaks the helk out causing havoc of all proportions when she gets called on ANYTHING. Literally. Anything.

I felt trapped before when she called me everyday from across the country now I don't know what to do. She makes plans for me that she expects me to keep, calls me 5 sometimes 10 times a day and sends upwards of 20 texts -not to mention she finds ways to manipulate me into running errands with her or insist we take our kids to the park on her schedule. She guilts me into feeling sorry for her though I don't, of course, she manipulates my behaviour by making it inconvenient for me to be noncompliant.

I love the life that my family and I had built here at our home of two years. She has nothing here but me and I have everything here but I need to get away from her. I cant just up and move away from my life, my family, my husbands job, kids school -everything. She may just follow me wherever we go anyway so the effort my be completely futile.

I feel absolutely helpless. Please, if you took the time to read this, take a moment to send a prayer or a positive thought my way. I could certainly use it.

Needy across the street

First off, I know the type you are dealing with. The very fact that she goes 'off' as she does to manipulate you is your notice to sever all ties. Obvioulsy she's not going to handle it as a mature adult but you peace and quiet and your family life are definitely worth fighting for. I know cause I've been there and I found that with that kind of history with someone, just end it. Do not look back for a second, do not allow them to worm back into your life. Once you reclaim your life back, keep it. I hope I've provided you with hope and encouragement. Life should not be miserable. God Bless You and yours.

takes the cake

It certainly does. I've been the "clingy friend" people wanted to get rid of, but the thing is, those friendships all began with the other person calling or e-mailing me constantly, so that I thought those were the boundaries. When I let my guard down, it always turned out to be too much for them. I got to the point where I used to apologize for calling friends, right off, at the start of the call. I suffer from severe depression, and followed the insane advice offered by mental health professionals: Call a friend. Can I just say, this is the WORST advice ever? If you are depressed, suicidal, or in trouble, FTLOG NEVER EVER call a friend! It always results in the friendship eventually ending. It took me 10 years to learn this the hard way. It would have been so much simpler if one of my many "friends" had just given it to me straight to begin with. None of the friends who have dumped me over the years would ever admit that was what they were doing or wanted to do. I really don't get it, because they would tell absolutely everyone else on the planet how they felt, but not me. I think you should just level with them. Be honest. It's the fastest way to lose people.

im so sorry! sounds like

im so sorry! sounds like prison. I have a male friend who is unbelievavbly needy and depressing that it makes me depressed listening to his constant whining and moaning. We used to be great mates and did everything together during school but now i just find him annoying and irritating and he expects that we should do everything together. Ive just made arrangments to see my girlfriend. (she's at a seperate university to me) and he expects me to invite him up as well. (hes having sulk right now, and texted me this bizarre ranrt about how are friendship is not what it used to be!) This week, I've decided just not too reply to his texts but he justs gets more and more angry! I feel paranoid turning on my phone in the morning because everyday hes texting me! he might actually be in love with me for all i know which would explain a lot! it's like having my very own stalker! it sucks! I'm glad i came accross this site because it means im not the only one out there with this problem. selfish i know, but it kind of gives me strengh to know there are other people in the same situation as me! We can get through this! :)

TO, well mine takes the cake

It certainly does! I've posted a response here: http://www.thefriendshipblog.com/blog/when-frenemy-across-street-too-clo...

 

Hope it's helpful
Irene

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