Escaping from a toxic triangle

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QUESTION

Dear Irene,

I'm a 40-year-old woman who feels like she's back in junior high. I have three kids who are very involved in sports and activities. Over the last four years, my husband and I developed a group of friends with kids the same ages. My closest friend in the group was a woman named Susan.

Recently we went away with Susan and her DH (dear husband), and another close friend Jenny and her husband. It was a terrible trip. Jenny was pretty much a bore and ruined much of the weekend. She ganged up against me and afterwards, my best friend Susan ignored me for an entire month or more—not answering phone calls, walking away from me at school events, etc. I finally confronted her at a baseball game. She called me names, and said she was tired of defending me to "everyone." I asked her what she meant and she said I was mean and biting.

Susan and I have been on three family vacations together: One was great, but the other two were terrible when Jenny and her family were involved. I can't forgive Susan for the cruel things she said to me and for walking away without giving me a chance to speak. She spent weeks talking about me behind me back—poisoning other friendships with Jenny and even my neighbor. Next thing I knew, she was calling me for rides for her daughter, dropping off Christmas cookies, and baking us bread. She recently asked if my DH and me wanted to drop by for drinks.

I have no desire to befriend her again. Jenny and I started to patch things up after our trip but this weekend, she told me that she wanted me to know that her family and Susan's were going on vacation together this summer. She wanted to know if my family would think about a "separate " house at the beach.

Some days I feel like I'm in some sort of depression. I wish these people didn't bother me, but I feel terribly betrayed. Our kids are all in the same activities and I can't get away from them, I've even considered moving our family to another state. Being made a fool of embarrasses me but I don't intend to suck up to anyone to get them to like me.

I'm having a hard time coping...Thanks for your help.

Signed,
Patsy

ANSWER

Dear Patsy,

The reason why you are having a hard time coping is because these women have either been nasty or have been giving you mixed messages. Sometimes women are blinded to the foibles in their friends for the sake of the kids—until they get clobbered over the head. Because you and your children once enjoyed spending time with these two other families, you may consider these women “friends,” but don’t make that mistake. True friends aren’t petty, cruel, and divisive. You need to find a way to extricate yourself from this adolescent triangle and find friends with whom you are more compatible.

Susan and Jenny have drawn a line in the sand; they plan to keep you at a distance---in a “separate house.’ Is this acceptable to you? If you agree to remain a friend on their terms, you will continue to feel hurt. Opt out of the triangle now. You don’t need to make abrupt changes but begin to treat these women as parents of your children’s friends, not your friends. Let your kids take the lead in determining whether they want to get together with the other kids. I’m not sure how old your kids are but children reach an age when they want to make their own friends anyway.

Begin mingling with other moms and try to put these toxic women in the periphery of your life—downgrade them from friends to acquaintances. I promise you will feel better about yourself. Just because these women are acting like girls in junior high doesn’t mean that you have to play in the their playground.

Best,
Irene

 

catty and mean elderly women

Hello all ! My mom was just recently in a situation where she had to end her "friendship" with a bunch of women who live in her building. My mom and these women are all in their sixites. Yes, even women in their "golden years" can be just as mean and vicious as high school girls. For a while things were great. My mom would go shopping with them out for dinners, and they even helped her out when she had surgery.they treated her well and my mom treated them well too. however, little by little, they started to push her out of the group. It all started when they were hanging out in the community room and one of them says "I can't wait to go to costco tommorow." to make a long story short, they were all going to costco and not inviting her. My mom understood that they might not have had room in the car, but they did not even ask her if she needed anything. My mom called them out on it. Then one of them had the nerve to ask my mom, if she had any other girlfriends and when my mom told her about a compliment her other friend had given her, she asked my mom if my mom's friend was drunk when she said it. My mom was shocked and hurt. She no longer speaks to these women. My mom is not perfect, but she is a very down to earth, loving,independent, and out going woman who did not deserve to be treated this way. I told my mom this is the very reason I do not have many girlfriends and was never in to "girls night out" because there is always back handed compliments and judgements. I prefer the company of men or going out with men and women together rather than just women. I have experienced the sisterhood with only a very small few. however, overall women are very mean to each other and there really is no support or sisterhood among each other.

Catty and mean women

Your mum better off without them.you should try and get her involved in other groups and activities and branch out a bit. I find women off all ages are mean. My friends who I have started to distance myself from started lying or omitting things which is probably better word than lying. Out of a group of 5 two of them have spent more time together and I found out recently that they have been out for dinners etc. it's hurtful to find out after the event . I thought these were my friends for life but don't feel as close to them anymore. There's load of little things that don't add up iykwim. I agonise over it and lose sleep over it and I really don't want to because I am independent and have other friends and family. We are all in our 40s. The worse part is not knowing why they are acting like this. I honestly feel if I dropped off the face of the earth they would not care less. I still do stuff with them but don't know whether to keep up a friendship at all or let it die .

Mean Women

My best friend and I had dinner last week just to catch up and have a girl talk. She is a close friend of mine who I had encourage to go into the medical field at the time when she didn't know what to do with her life. In 2011, she graduated and is now working in the hospital. I was very happy for her. This friend of mine, always tells me how she is working 70 hours a week and she makes about $100,000 a year. I'm a little surprise because she is not even a doctor and also you would be dead working that many hours. So after our dinner, she offered to pay. I hesistated and said "no, i'll pay for my portion." She insisted in paying and said I'll pay for us, anyways I make more money than you in front of the waiter. I was shocked she said that! I was embarrased that she had said that because first of all, I am very independent and I work 40 hours a week doing administrative work in a professional setting with doctors and many professional staff. Funny thing is she posted on her facebook that she applied to a university online to do her bachelors but she does not think she can afford the tuition taking online classes out of state. If you're reading this post, please reply back and let me know what is wrong in this picture!

some thoughts in reply to "mean women"

Maybe your friend is clocked in for 70 hrs per wk but not really "working" all those hours. I know people who talk about the long hours they put in but when you look at it, they are chatting away during some of it. One person I know stays late every night but come to find out she is just using the computer for internet fun, not really working. Another person I know plays on the internet all day then suddenly starts working at his job late in the day. Then stays late and it appears he's a workaholic working so late. People exaggerate in their minds how hard they work. Is it possible your friend really is just trying to be nice when she says she will always pay? Is it possible your friend is relieved to be able to pay for once? Only you know for sure, of course.

I am so tired of people and

I am so tired of people and their BS. Lets get real people. Some of us are introverted tend to keep to ourselves & most ppl are extroverts. We always fight over the most stupid things like who is the first, and so on. It is so stupid and makes us look like idiots. For me I lost my friends when they got married. Years I was (still am) friendly when see them. Thought they wanted space so..... what found out is that they don't want me anymore as a friend because. In your 30's and 40's if your white, female, single, no kids then something must be wrong with you. Lets get rid of the ratio's and stereotypes in our own groups and work together. Maybe one of those girls you like to emotionally abuse actually might need a friend. & we can blame the media on those crappy tv shows that promote self indulgent ehh hemmm (real housewives) Come on!

Nasty women are everwhere and at every age!

I agree with all the comments above. I had brought together a lovely group of girlfriends together from all wlaks of life and arranged for regular outings. One of my friends was quite vain, a little snobby and didn't have alot of girlfriends - but I could see some good in her over the years, so I decided to invite her into the group I had created. She quickly decided she liked one of my girlfriends due to her appearance, taste in expensive clothes and acquaintainces and aligned herself to her. Bit by bit, I would find them chatting at the get togethers and excluding others, then slowly seeing each other without telling anyone else (even lying to me about when they had last seen each other) and then slowly little nasty bits of behaviour towards other girls in the group started occuring, from making fun of peoples weight to appearance etc. Then she got married and I was invited to my suprise my friend was there with a guy I knew nothing about and she had been dating behind my back for a year!!! So as you can see, bit by bit they both turned on me and somehow I ended up being the evil person? The person that introduced them was the person they disliked? It was bizarre? When I confronted both of them separately -teh queen bee was really aggressive and swore at me? I have not spoken to her since and losing her friendship was the best thing that even happened to me. The other more quiet one went under her shell and I have only bumped into her by accident a few times. She says we will get together and that nothing was meant to hurt me - but never follows through. I spent ages agonising over what I did wrong? Did I say something? Why was I not worthy of their friendship? How did all my good intentions turn into something so sour and bitter? I soon realised that it wasn't me - it was them and their insecurities that brought tehm together and that tore a rift between us. I am now happily married and am lucky to have a husband who is very social and introduced me to some balanced women who are relatively happy and in good relationships. All I can say is beware of some women and their evil selfish intentions to get what they can out of you, including your friendships. You should be able to see the signs early on - go with your instincts and shed your friendship with these types of women early on and avoid the pain and cancerous impact they can have on your other friendships. I've come to realise now at 37 that women by their sheer nature are just competitive and until they feel secure in themselves, like themselves, in a relationship or a good support network and are happy with their lives - will probably not make good friends for confident and open women.

It's all a bunch of crap, there is no "sisterhood" among women

It is difficult for most women to truly be a friend to other women because many women are so insecure within themselves that the competitive nature kicks in .

I agree that this is very

I agree that this is very well written and so true - follow your instincts. I used to give the benefit of the doubt and not read the signs - being late all the time, the nicely offered put downs, the endless one way phone calls. After my mother died I really saw who was a true friend because these friends who I spent so many hours listening to their issues would not listen to me - it was like they didn't hear what I said and were almost angry like how dare I talk about this subject and overtalked me so I had enough of giving my time and emotional energy to them. Being away from these women I feel much happier and have improved self esteem and use my time more productively by doing creative things and having two way conversations with friends who genuinely listen and hear what is being said.

very well put!

very well put!

I make acquatances with

I make acquatances with others very easily. My motto is Do unto others as they would do unto you. Others feel the need to exclude, because it gives them a sence of power. Or they think they are smarter, richer, etc then you. I find it harder to make friends as i have gotten older. I prefer to be alone then in bad company. Another thing I have learned is don't tell others to much to quick, it will bite you in the butt. People like to be around others they percieve as more sucessful, because it validates for them that they must be so smart and sucessful too Female friendships become more complicated because we invest so much of ourselves into them. We need to learn the importance of enjoying our own company. I love being by myself. Whe I hang with others it becomes so much more enjoyable knowing my dependence is less on how they treat me, but how I treat myself. They say friendship helps people get over sickness and live longer. i know plenty of 80's and 90 year olds who have lost many friends, but still are able to function. This makes me angry becauseplenty of nice wonderful people get cancer and die even thought they have have a large support sytem. In my opinion friendship is overrated. Remeber the saying you can count on one hand your true friends.

This is very interesting.

This is very interesting. Food for thought. So true how quick "they" (the media?) are to tell us you live longer if you have a big group of support as in friends. But old people's friends die and they are alone. However, some old people still have a big support system; maybe belonging to a church helps in that they have outreach people who visit the elderly and the sick? I've spent most of my adult life living under the philosophy that being alone and having few friends is better than a gaggle of people around who aren't good friends. But it has been lonely many times and I wonder if too much alone time over the course of a lifetime leaves scars, too.

Toxic triangle

Hey all this appears to be a common problem. I feel like I am goning through the same. There is a group of us who hang about together, go to cinema, bbqs , weekends away etc. i first noticed 2 years ago when we went away that 3 of us always shared a room and anyway one of the women said she would move her pull out bed to the other room as it was bigger with the other 2 women. I swear she could not move fast enough. It was really weird. I then noticed at dinner parties that she would direct all conversation to these other 2 girls and leave me and the other girl out a bit. As I am friendly with them all I have said nothing as I do not want to appear childish and or cause a rift. I was delighted years ago to have formed this friendship (through school and kids activiteis) but I am sorry now to have been sucked in. I now try and talk to other people when out at football and school stuff etc. I do often wonder is is because I am independent and work and am strong and is there jealousy involved. I do think it is this one girl though who appears to be the popular one and she knows it and plays it. Also 2 of them are obessed with their weight and hair and i remember being out one night with them and I complimented them on how they looked and 3 of them stroked each other egos all night and not one nice thing said about me. I know this sounds petty but it is hurtful. For along time this used to eat me up at night or during the day. If I heard that they all had been in one house and I was not there it would have literally ruined my weekend. I think though I am beginning to not care as much anymore as these things dont bother me as much anymore. In the last year my mum died and only one of them calls in regularly as I do her. I have stopped pooping in as much to the others because it is not recipricated. Anyway thats my saga. Thanks for listening

Toxic Triangel

Oh oh, I meant to say popping instead of pooping. And also when I mentioned my friend moving to the bigger room, it was not a bigger roon, if anything it was smaller.

MeanGirled

So I am going through the EXACT same thing right now. It hurts, I feel like I have done something wrong, like it is my fault the friendship(s) have gone sour.... But then I think, really????? I am a grown woman, with two wonderful kids, a fantastic husband, lots of family, other friends etc... I can't say I am as nice as some of you are though, as I have to admit I keep thinking of things that could happen to them... the whole Karma thing....Any how it totally stinks and I really hope it stops soon. How do I go to my daughters activities when everyone is there? I have to be there for 4 hours some days...uggg. Thanks for listening!

Reply to MeanGirled

Before you know it you, will be on to a new school, new mothers, and hopefully in a better situation. Remember you're there for your daughter and if you have to, bury your head in a book. Might I suggest mine?

Warm wishes, Irene

Mean Woman

My best friend since 8th grade humiliated me in front of group of women. Talking about the poor choices I had made in men. The next day she excluded me from a walk, then told me how she had paid for two other women on an excursion we went on. I told her how much this all hurt me. She said nothing. Actually, she said, "Ok." I emailed her happy birthday. She didn't reply. Should I just let this go and move on? Has anyone gotten over being treated so creuly? Thanks, Kriss

how to deal with mean women

I came across this short video on the Today's Show website, it explained why women still "mean girl " others. http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/4373204/ns/today-relationships Yes, it definitely hurts, I have experienced it many times. You just can't take it personally. You can't control others' actions. I am still trying to move on and broaden my social circle. Hopefully I'll learn how to spot these mean women in the future.

Reply to How to Deal with Mean Women

Thanks so much for posting the video!

Best,

Irene

 

Toxic Triangle

Three friends never seem to work. One person always gets excluded in one way or another. I just moved to a new town where my husband grew up in a state different from the one I grew up in and went to school. I am an only child and my parents divorced when I was 3. My mother and I have a very strained relationship. My neighbors and I initially were very friendly and as our children began kindergarten, I was very nice to one woman who didn't know many people in the town as she chose to only associate with those in her religion (Jehovah Witness). We were very friendly and quickly became good friends. I noticed she quickly began to talk about other women in the neighborhood poorly almost to see what I would say. Thank heavens in most cases, I just listened. As school activities started, another woman that my husband knew in high school started becoming friendly with me. She also would talk about different people in town. I felt happy at the time that these women felt comfortable enough to talk to me about these other people even though I really didn't say much of anything back. How foolish! I then introduced the two because both were becoming my good friends. Next thing I knew I was the one being excluded. Cruel things happened and now I am the one without any friends or family to talk to. My husband is not very interested in all of this and although he attempts to try, is not very supportive. I feel so alone and sad and sorry for myself. Can you offer any suggestions?

Reply to Shannon

Hi Shannon,

I wanted to let you know that I posted a response to you on my blog today. You can see it here: Friendship Calculus: The Problem of Three

I hope it's helpful. Best, Irene 

 

Mean Girl Thing

It seems to me that the older mean girl thing may spring from disastrous choices made by some of the women. My husband and I have been married for 30 years. Many 40-50ish women today are single mothers and now raising preteens and teenagers ... mostly alone. The abuse I get is usually from this group. They married or had children very young, made bad decisions, divorced multiple times with kids by different spouses, and when they look at my life the only thing they can do is snarl, hiss, and be incredibly rude. Hey, sorry ladies, whatever has happened in your lives is NOT my fault. Why do they want to blame someone else for their stuff? There are so many women in this spot, at the moment, that I've put single women out of my life entirely. I'm not mad, I don't need it, and it's a bore being around angry, self-absorbed, vicious felines who are looking to do nothing but snipe at me.

Why

Why are women so mean to each other? Obviously this site is a place where women can write in about problems with their friends, so I do understand that a lot of times we are only seeing one side of women friendship. But even in my own life, it just seems like being "friends" with other women is an invitation to hurt. Why are women so mean to each other?

Re: Why

Erin, I've been dealing with that same question, all day today. I've had some "dear friends" of mine turn on me for no apparent reason. There was never any disagreement between us, I've never been anything but nice to them, and I'm not one to instigate anything. I try to avoid conflict if I can. Anyway, out of the blue, some of my friends started acting weird towards me, and then I was warned by some other people that I might want to drop these people as friends, because they were trashing me behind my back. One woman in particular. Before she came into the picture, I had a lovely group of women friends, 6 of us. We all got along, we had many BBQs and game nights at one another's houses. For about 2 years, things were great. Then this new gal enters the picture. At first she's nice as pie. We all welcomed her into our little group, and everything seemed fine, and then all of a sudden I notice one day that my 2 closest friends haven't been around as much lately. Long story short, one of my closest friends now will not call me back or e-mail me, which is not like her at all. No explaination, nothing! Then this older woman whom wasn't really a part of the group, but was a mutual friend. Says that she recently went to lunch with 4 of the gals, and my one time closest friend in the bunch tells her that I'm apparently "Fighting" with this other new gal that has muscled in on our group. Well I'll tell ya, that's the first I'd heard of that, because the last time I checked, things seemed fine to me. Never a harsh word said. As far as I was concerned, up until now, things were just fine. I have had this happen in the past with other women. It's a strange phenomenon. I read about it once in this article about female behavior towards other women, and they said that envy and jealousy sometimes just runs rampant in groups of women for no apparent reason. A "friend" of yours may be jealous or envious for any number of reasons. I think in my case, the fact that my husband and I have an awesome relationship, and make time for ourselves to go to concerts, or to take our son to Oregon football games and crabbing on the coast , etc....I think this bothers some people. they wish they could do that stuff. The thing is, they could if they REALLY wanted to. It's not like we have any more money or resources than any of these other people. We just make the time for each other. Something that a lot of my friends have been unwilling to do with their spouses. It's not my fault they haven't made the effort. Why do I always pay then? By the way, these same women backstab their own husbands all the time. And we are talking VERY nice, hard working men who would give the moon to their wives if they could, but these women talk about them like they're trash. And it's all petty stuff. I think it ticked these women off that when they asked me what I thought about certain situations I said, " Frankly, I think you're being harsh. You talk about him not helping enough around the house, as if he's cheating on you. You should feel lucky to have a good man who works hard, loves you for who you are, and isn't an alcoholic or whatever. You complain about him, but it could be worse! He could be beating you or cheating". Needless to say, they didn't like this answer. Okay, I'm off of my soap box now.

Women who butt into a group and then destroy it

Crazy, about this dynamic of women who come along into an already established group of friends. Hey, I'm all for the more the merrier, but there are some women who infiltrate a group only to decide who stays and who goes. I have no idea how I didn't see it coming, but little by little, this woman weasled her way into the thick of the group by extending many invites and doing nice little things for us. Next thing I know, my best friend is her best friend and they're both running me into the ground. My sister said that I should feel lucky to have found out now. I recently quit my job to be home more with my kids. Of course now I am plagued with this whole thing and thank goodness i no longer have the major stresses of a job, but I have to see these people at the gym, at school, at sporting events etc. and I no longer have my work friends. (work was over an hour away) Maybe it is the husband envy thing. Because they're both pretty , smart and have more or comparable resources. They also have Mothers, which I dont'. Mine has been ill for a long time and has never really been there for me emotionally. I have to stop thinking about what i don't have and start being more thankful for all that i do have. My daughter pointed out that I shouldn't say that we're lucky... but that we have blessings.. :0) I'm wondering if Eva ever confronted her old group and if so what happened? I never confronted the weasle with why she turned on me, I figured, if she's backing the Bible quoting back stabber, that's all I need to know. Game over. Secretly laughing though, because the bible quoter has always called the weasle "a Princess" behind her back. Yep, now they're best buds. Hmmmm wonder how long that foundation's going to hold? Patsy

Why: Erin

Hi Erin, I too am struggling with why women are so mean as described in my whole '40 Toxic Triangle" scenario. I've never said anything derogatory about these women to anyone. I vent only to my husband and even as a "typical guy", he sees how cruel they are to me. I can remember in 6th - 8th grade girls being mean . I was able to learn from junior high, and make new friends in high school. But now, it seems like my free time is very consumed with my (3) kids' activities. I'm screwed by having to see these catty women at every pass. I guess I thought that as adults, we had learned about loyalty, trust and kindness. I'm amazed that bad behaving children have morphed into self righteous, divisive women. I think Irene was right when she told me that maybe I had overlooked some character flaws in these women because our kids were friends. my ex best friend: the one who bad mouthed me to 20+ people in our town, told me that she just had no use for me, then brought me baked goods over Xmas and invited us for drinks? well... she sent the most holier than thou Xmas card with scripture quotations.. and I had to laugh... If only people knew what she's really all about... but since I'll never spread vicious gossip, I guess they'll have to find out for themselves. Patsy

Mean women hiding behind God

The woman I mentioned who broke up my group of friends. She is the same way. Would bring her Bible to work and quote scripture, etc. I've noticed that some of the meanest, nastiest people pretend to be Christians (or other religious persons) because they think this gives them some kind of pass to be all "holier-than-thou". I myself am a Christian, but I do not think I'm perfect, and would never hide behind religion like some of these people do. Frankly, they aren't really hiding. To me they stick out worse than anything. As a Christian, a mean person trying to act all religious, while stabbing people (that are supposedly their friends) in the back, is like spiting on one's religion.

Your a Christian? Could have fooled me.....

I am a Christian and I have come in contact with a lot of so-called Christians. I'm not commenting on anyone's salvation. All I can say is this; that Christian's led by the Holy Spirit do not cause division. It says in the Bible, "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another." John 13:35. Nothing is more confusing to Christians than to encounter a non-Christian claiming to be saved. Their actions do not back up what they say. Perhaps, we have a lot of wolves in sheep's clothing. Perhaps....

women behind God

Well stated---I have also noticed so called "Christians" are more judgemental, narrow minded, do not like any one to act, think or look different than the are. I find these people non trusting, stifling and very uncomfortable to be around. They are so insecure that they need to hide behind religion. I also consider myself a Christian, but I will not belong to any of these religious groups that are narrow minded and can not thnk for themselves.

More Why

Patsy - Thank goodness you have your husband because at least he can bear witness to the ridiculousness of these so-called friends. A lot of times I think I must be imagining meanness or exaggerating situations or being paranoid in my dealings with other people, but my fiance sees what goes on and he can't believe how mean women are. He is always telling me how sorry he is that I have to deal with women like this - they are truly everywhere. And don't even get me started on the holier than though Christmas card - that is laughable!! I'm proud of you for being the bigger person. That's probably why it hurts so much though, because you ARE the bigger person. I'm really sorry you are going through this :-( Stay strong, and daily remind yourself how special you are, because I know the insecurities their meanness can lead to. I wish you all the best! ~Erin

Thanks Eva and Erin

Thanks Eva and Erin, I had a rough day, had to wait for my kids next to 2 of the women that have made my life a living hell the past 4 months+. One of them pretends to be a friend, and the other one only pretends when her children or husband are around. Of course today she completely turned her back, note, I wasn't jumpring through hoops to say hello either. Eva's post was so familiar to what I've experienced. My husband and I love concerts, and sporting events and genuinely like spending time together. The Holier than thou woman seems to have a good time with her husband, but will trash him any time they fight. In fact, months ago her husband spoke to my husband to try to get me to mend fences with his wife. My husband explained that she had spent weeks trashing me in the community to numerous people and ignored me for 4 weeks without ever telling me why. Guess what her husbands response was? "Yep, that's one of my biggest frustrations with my wife... she tells people everything we argue about and runs me into the ground with her friends." Amazing to me that he basically admitted she isn't trustworthy. I wish this stuff didn't bother me anymore, but these were people I thought were my friends for 4+ years. Then all of a sudden they turn out to be back stabbing divisive creatures running around grabbing more people for their clique. Right or wrong, I've backed away from friendships with anyone who's tight with the ring leader. Even though one of the women is my neighbor and keeps saying I'm her close friend... she's secretly planning to go on vacation with these other 2. GOOD LUCK. The year I made that mistake, I ended up being the dishwasher as the other 2 competed for Martha Stewart cook of the year on vacation. Erin-Thank Goodness for my husband is right. He's a caring, loving, forgiving guy who's had enough of all of this. I just wish I didn't feel so bad. I guess I'm very embarassed too, since I know I've been trashed to God knows how many people. It's bad, but I do hope karma comes back to these 2. I have not and will not speak badly about them to anyone, but of course that's equivalent to not defending myself since they have no problem bad mouthing me. I took one of those online depression tests... um.. the results weren't so good. :0( Yes I know... I know, but I'm hoping that with time, 2 evil individuals will lose their ability to make me feel so lousy. I think part of it has to do with forgiving them. But how do you forgive people that intentionally set out to humiliate and destroy your self esteem? Really, how do I forgive that?

how to forgive and move on

Hi Irene and Patsy, I am in a very similar situation of being "mean-girled" and find it hard to forgive and move on. Especially since kids are involved in the same school / activities. Still don't understand why and how it happens. Have known these women for over 5 years. Just wondering if you have any advice or if time will help.

how to move on

I went through this a few years ago and then again (!) last year with a different group. I've learned a few things - maybe they will help you to move on. First of all, I am proud of myself for not lowering my standards of behavior. I would smile and say a general hello (met with stares and silence) and then act as if I had no idea that they were there. Also, now I have seen how this affects the children. I have two teens and a tween. Surprisingly the kids have remained friends with one or two of the mean mom's kids. They are probably excluded from some activities - but that is not a big deal as our circle is much more varied than when they were little. While I'm still muddling through this myself, it is so helpful to read about other women's stories. Best wishes & good luck!

Reply to Liz

Thanks for such a helpful post! Irene

Reply to forgive and move on

Hi,

Maybe this article I wrote on the topic for Third Age will be of some help: http://www.thirdage.com/aging-well/mean-girls-adults

Best, Irene

 

Thanks Leslie and Starrlife

Nice of you to stop by and leave comments~ Best, Irene

I like that answer. That

I like that answer. That sounds so awful and uncomfortable, who needs it! It's sad that some people are so insecure that they have to cut someone down to feel big!

Toxic traingle

Bravo! Excellent advice. I particularly like the "just because these women are acting like girls in junior high do doesn't mean you have to play in their playground." Added benefit if she backs away: She'll not only have more self-respect; she'll get some respect from them. Not that their opinion means much...but still, it will feel better than this tortured, triangulated toxicity.

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